JeffRay
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To state the obvious, LONGER RANGE PLEASE

Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:34 pm

I just read a WSJ article today saying that consumers top wish for smartphones has consistently been longer battery life and that the manufacturers/marketers have decided that features are more important. I hope that MB and others don't make the same mistake with us. I am enjoying driving the Be but 35 mile range in a cold urban environment is only workable because the dealer allows us to roll in and charge and eat their snacks. When the lease ends, I am hoping that range can be extended by 50+% which would greatly increase the radius of potential travel to include my family in the suburbs (without asking them if they mind me plugging into their 110 outlet while we socialize.

Don't forget to tell that to your friendly sales manager when you see them during your visits. Thank them for the twice weekly charge but say you don't like them that much!
Jeff in NYC
MB '06 E500W; MB '81 380SL
Retired: MB '17 B250e; MB '14 Be

TonyWilliams
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Re: To state the obvious, LONGER RANGE PLEASE

Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:18 pm

Daimler said this car could go 200 miles, and I guarantee that there is enough room down there for all the batteries. That fuel cell "pit" alone could fit 20 or 30kWh !!!

Jylkat
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Re: To state the obvious, LONGER RANGE PLEASE

Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:14 am

Jeff, are you saying that you can't go 35 miles on a full (normal) charge??? :o

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Re: To state the obvious, LONGER RANGE PLEASE

Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:00 am

In bitter cold, that would not be the least bit unusual...
Jylkat wrote:Jeff, are you saying that you can't go 35 miles on a full (normal) charge??? :o
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SmartElectric
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Re: To state the obvious, LONGER RANGE PLEASE

Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:20 pm

My Smart ED only has 17.6kWh battery (half of the B ED) and I for sure can exceed 35 miles of range in -20C cold.
I see about 60% of my summer range in the coldest winter days after the car is cold soaked for 7+ hours.

Is there something unusual about the B ED in terms of battery heating or requirements that reduce range to 40% instead of the 60% of the summer range I get?

JeffRay
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Re: To state the obvious, LONGER RANGE PLEASE

Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:28 pm

Hey J.

To clarify. I live in NYC, park my car outdoors overnight, and mainly drive in stop and go urban traffic. So I in fact average 35 miles per charge. I charge the Be twice a week either at the dealer or right now in a parking lot near my home. So for my purpose, unusual as it is, it is fine. Today, I concluded what the h*ll, I am going to charge every day if I have to, just like my smartphone. Then, range anxiety will go away. Gonna try that for a couple of weeks.

If I drive out to our Long Island office, I can get 65+ miles on the highway.

So I am only comparable if you do exclusively urban stop and go driving. Get the Be, it is wonderful car.
Jeff in NYC
MB '06 E500W; MB '81 380SL
Retired: MB '17 B250e; MB '14 Be

sendler2112
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Re: To state the obvious, LONGER RANGE PLEASE

Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:27 pm

SmartElectric wrote:My Smart ED only has 17.6kWh battery (half of the B ED) and I for sure can exceed 35 miles of range in -20C cold.
I see about 60% of my summer range in the coldest winter days after the car is cold soaked for 7+ hours.

Is there something unusual about the B ED in terms of battery heating or requirements that reduce range to 40% instead of the 60% of the summer range I get?
It depends how much time you spend stuck in traffic, not even moving, with the heater blaring.

JeffRay
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Re: To state the obvious, LONGER RANGE PLEASE

Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:51 am

Concur Sendler. Given my charging options near home and work, no reason to skip the luxury features for the sake of posting better range. When it drops below 1/2, I plug it in. Just like my smartphone. Charging while parked is not a hassle. Just a change in routine that this old dog can learn.
Jeff in NYC
MB '06 E500W; MB '81 380SL
Retired: MB '17 B250e; MB '14 Be

wtzouris
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Re: To state the obvious, LONGER RANGE PLEASE

Sat May 23, 2015 4:17 pm

65/72 miles is the worst I ever got this last winter, that's regular charge / extended range charge. But I always pre-condition on the L2 charger at home and I was conservative with the heat -- not turning it off, but conservative settings. Also conservative driving, E+ mode. I would also use the electrically heated windshield.

JeffRay
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Re: To state the obvious, LONGER RANGE PLEASE

Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:00 am

So the 2020 question is now, "How much range is enough?"

With more 200 mile range cars on sale now, e.g. Bolt, Kia, Hyundai, iPace and more on the horizon, VW, EQC, Audi, is that enough? Or are you fascinated that Tesla churns out 300 mile range cars as their standard, e.g. Y, 3, X, and S?

It seems to be this is the age old story of legacy companies unable to trade off old in order to get new. In this case, it is the heavier cars and perhaps power hungry electronics. This is separate from potentially better battery technology although I doubt that unless Tesla has some patents that give them the range edge.

Back to the question, is 200 mile range enough for the warm times and 160ish miles during the cold times?

P.S. I vote yes as I have driven our 96 mile range B250e now for almost 6 years and would consider buying it at a discount at the end of the lease.
Jeff in NYC
MB '06 E500W; MB '81 380SL
Retired: MB '17 B250e; MB '14 Be

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