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Newbie to the B250e

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:51 am
by ALEXAKOS
Hi Guys,

i am an i3 owner from Germany, thinking to trade it in for the B250e.
Its a 11/2016 model at 18k miles.
It will have a 2 year warranty by Benz, yet I still want to see what the top 10 Technical issues are in this model?
What are your experiences. What should I look out for?

My main question is:
Why the hell did Mercedes not communicate the sales of this model??
I never heard of it, neve saw an Ad or test drive video..

I have been looking and driving EVs since 2012. Was totally surprised when I stumbled upon the B250e. Thought it was another cheatin Hybrid again :mrgreen:


Thanks for your insights in advance :!:

Re: Newbie to the B250e

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 4:09 pm
by JeffRay
Alexakos,

The simple answer to your last question is that Mercedes only produced limited numbers of these cars only to meet compliance requirements in order to sell ICE cars in certain jurisdictions. So zero marketing other than by dealers to get the ones they were stuffed with off their lots in a hurry. When I leased my 2014, me along with others got a really nice discount off the MSRP. Less so when I leased by 2017. So no reason for them to market a limited edition compliance vehicle. Unlike BMW who did up your i3, MB just combined the ICE B-Class on top of a Tesla motor and battery. Of course, going forward, MB has made a big deal about a broad offering of electric vehicles across their line. Look at it this way, if customers are willing to pay more for electric vehicles vs a comparable ICE vehicle, are they wrong to pursue this? You live in Europe which is way ahead of the US in terms of conservation initiatives. Tesla sells the cool factor in addition to speed along with pure electric. MB will sell its luxury factor along with speed and with pure electric.

As to your first question, just peruse the technical section of this forum and read the ones with the most replies. My list off the top of my head are:

1. Motor failure and replacement under warranty, rare but it happens.
2. Software glitches that require a visit to the dealer to fix.
3. Somewhat limited COMAND system.
4. Range further limited in cold season.
5. No Level 3 charging.

On the other side:

1. MB fit and finish
2. High seating.
3. Roomy seating.
4. Adequate boot.
5. Zippy urban getabout.

Re: Newbie to the B250e

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:06 am
by ALEXAKOS
Hi jeff!
there is no LIKE button here to hit as gratitude to your reply.
So Ill go with the good ol fashioned THANK YOU!!! :D

I see.. yet another Politically correct movement for the auto industry. At least this gave us the opportunity to get a hold of a nice EV to drive.

Is there any range improvement between the 2014 and 2106 models?

I see most 2014 owners speak of a range up to 110 miles.
The 2016 Looked at had 95% charge with 185 Kilometers range. You think the dealer made an ultra soft drive and charged, to impress me with that range?

My i3 has aprox 120Km, but if I drive it softly after a charge i get a 170km reading,,, which is totally plasmatic :|

Re: Newbie to the B250e

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:35 am
by JeffRay
Alexakos,

You are welcome. Briefly,

1. The 2014s had the extra range button as an option. After that, it was a standard feature. Only buy one that has so you can at your push of a button charge the battery an extra 10% of the Tesla battery. This allows the battery to charge up to 90% of capacity. Normally set to only charge up to 80% of battery to preserve long-term usefulness of battery or to limit the long-term degradation of battery. Speaking of that, you should have the dealer show you the battery report so you can confirm that the car has retained 96+% of original spec. If not, move on.

2. Hah, that range is only possible if they drove the car to the top of a mountain, reset the Guess o Meter, and then coasted down the mountain back to the dealer. Figure during temperate months a range of up to 100 miles and in cold weather a reduced range of 65 miles. As an experienced electric driver of an i3, you know that range in all electrics is a function of size of battery relative to weight of car, temperature, aggressive vs gentle driving, and average speed. Newbies always get lower range as it is so much fun to zip off the mark effortlessly. You have passed the Newbie stage.

Re: Newbie to the B250e

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:46 am
by ALEXAKOS
Hi Jeff,
wow that sure puts it in a whole new perspective.
from all media I got the feeling this is a 200km range EV.
95 miles is the same i get from my 60Ah i3 ... When I drive it, :P
My wife barely gets 70 miles. Only drawback on my i3 is the charger is only level one and I can't get a full faster charge than under 6 hours. :cry:

I dearly appreciate the time you took in helping me out.
wish you all the best... and will keep you updated if anything changes with my purchase choice. :geek:

Re: Newbie to the B250e

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:41 am
by JeffRay
Alexakos,

The correct way to think about the B250e is a luxury version of your i3 with these differences.

1. No gas range extender (do you use?)
2. MB luxury features.
3. More room in B250e.
4. Faster charging? It sounds like the same, 20% per hour.
5. No more sharing the electric with wife.

For $25K or less, a really nice commuter car particularly if one has a garage to charge overnight and to keep the car warm.

Re: Newbie to the B250e

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:31 am
by hallcp
If you Google "b-class vs. bmw i3" you'll find a great many head-to-head comparisons. I can't find it now, but the most memorable one I read talked about how much more comfortable the Mercedes was, especially the rear seats and space.

Most of the i3's here in the USA seem to have CCS fast-charging capability. I believe if you have 3-phase Level 2 charging, that is faster than what we have here. But no B-Classes have anything beyond Level 2.

You will also have a wider selection of tires to choose from than the i3, which has a funny size.

I second everything JeffRay says. I replaced a 2018 Chevy Volt with a 2014 B-Class and feel like I've stepped up to a new level of comfort and performance.

Re: Newbie to the B250e

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:35 am
by hallcp
Ahhh, here's that review I mentioned: https://cleantechnica.com/2014/10/07/bm ... exclusive/
If you only have 2 people, the BMW shortcomings are small. But when you move to 3, 4, or 5, it immediately becomes burnt toast next to the Mercedes B-Class Electric. The Mercedes ​back seat is LUXURIOUS, even has fold-out trays.

Re: Newbie to the B250e

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:32 pm
by ALEXAKOS
Hey Jeff n Hall,
Thank you both very much for your time!

Yes, fact is the Mercedes is much more of a car with features that the bmw falls very short.

My main issues with the i3 are:
Short range (winter at 50 miles)
Long charge time (top 6 hours for full charge)
Suicide doors (only fun at first)
4 seater
No large trunk
Nearing tire change (prices are crazy)

Funny enough, I was convinced the b class had a 200 km range. Couple of reviews claim so and the one I saw live had 183 range on the dash at 98% charge.

Truth is I am convinced of the upgrade. but still thinking if investing 15 grand (difference between i3 and b class) will make sense.

The ev is driven just by my wife.
I’ll keep you posted if I manage to get a better deal on it;)

Cheers

Re: Newbie to the B250e

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:53 am
by ALEXAKOS
Hey Jeff,
been scanning the net to get as much info as possible.
Stumbled on this Swiss fella who did a range test.
https://youtu.be/_XMcxwlYRfk

Now I know how the dealer got the B class to show 183km of range on the dash.
He simply reseted the trip computer. That’s what the Swiss guy did in the vid. The rage went from 113km to 193km on the dash.

BTW.

When you guys claim a 90 mile range.
Is that in E or E+ Mode?